Well, Sarkeesian has done more damage than good to gaming as a whole.
Social Justice Warrior's can carry on crying.
Though this is a good hypothetcial, what would CCP do if the SJW started bitching? Would they appease them?

EVE is a 'hard" game, and takes a lot of "work". If you look at what men and women tend to go into for careers and degrees, men tend to go into "hard" careers that take a lot of "work". Now I'm not saying women don't work hard, but they don't tend to go into the STEM fields (Science, Tech, Eng, Math) because that kind of work does not generally appeal to them for a variety of reasons. EVE is pretty much the STEM of the gaming world, and the kind of difficulty and gameplay is not what I would associate a women with doing. The games women tend to play are puzzle games (That's the one I do know), and puzzle games are about as far from EVE as you can get, and EVE won't really appeal to women.

That being said, the women I have met in EVE are awesome and CCP Seagull for president

Because competitive masculinity and nurturing femininity are the result of human sexual dimorphism. Gender did not come from society. Society came from gender.

I'm not saying that a given woman has to be nurturing and feminine and a given man has to be competitive and masculine. I'm saying that these things are true in aggregate, statistically speaking, because of our biology.

I'm not at all denying that there are some people in EVE that can be somewhat hostile towards female gamers, but I don't think that it's able to explain why there aren't that many women playing it. For one, they face the same kind of **** in other games where they're much more represented (e.g. WoW, LoL, even CoD probably has more female gamers). And, for another, this community is generally a lot better about such things than the communities surrounding those other games.


I'm not saying that it does.

Why do so many people here think of "EVE Players" as some sort of monolithic and uniform culture?

Players of different ages have different cultures within EVE. Players of different nationalities have different cultures within EVE. Players of different play styles have different cultures within eve. Players of different alliances have different cultures within EVE. Players of different corporations have different cultures within EVE.

Many of these internal cultures of EVE I enjoy, many I do not enjoy and some I loathe. None of them give any reason to speak of a dominant culture that all players share.

There is no "this is how we EVE players are" in a game this vast.

At least you admit it.

Me? I came up with this earlier: overhaul EVE voice, and ban third party voice chat. Interactions over voice chat become the purview of CCP and subject to the TOS and EULA.

Obviously this is heavy-handed and ultimately unnecessary, but it's still infinitely many times more solutions than you've suggested. Of course, being that you're self-identified with a movement that likes to cry "don't teach women self-defense, just teach men not to ****!" this is hardly surprising.

But nobody's given any evidence that there's a widespread sentiment that women are not wanted in EVE. So far there have only been examples of harassment and rude behavior which is common to other online games, and suggesting that this is the cause of our community's divide is still a post hoc argument.

Rush fans are overwhelmingly male. Does that mean that the band or its fans discriminate against women? Not at all. Women, generally speaking, simply don't like them. There's nothing wrong with that.

If you're going to sock puppet, at least do it with an out of alliance alt... Good Lord, is this amateur hour?

So in other words, this isn't about equality of opportunity and rights, this is about a competition for power. I see.

Then you accept that we're all still learning and trying to figure things out, and the best way to do that is not take sides. Find people willing to have a discussion, and work together, but don't take sides. That's the academic way, and the only way.

And just ignore the attacks. If you're getting harrassing EVE mails, that's against the EULA, so report, block, and move on. You have to accept that when you get involved in hot-topic discussions, you're gonna get abused and attacked by someone. They are usually members of fringe minorities who choose to exclude themselves from any real discussion anyway, so you can safely assume they have nothing constructive to offer to any real dialectic anyway, and ignore them. I get hate mail from antivaxers, scientologists, and various 'religious' people on an almost daily basis because of my line of work, and I've even had threatening letters from lawyers with words like 'libel' and 'cease and desist' in them. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's not, and sometimes it's downright scary. But the discussion goes on because that's how you make progress.

"I know you are you said you are so what am I"

GG.